Episode 18

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9th Sep 2026

"Human in the Loop" Might Be the Worst Way to Use AI, with Vivienne Ming

"Human in the loop" is supposed to be the safe, responsible way to use AI. Turns out it might be the worst.

Theoretical neuroscientist and seven-time founder Dr. Vivienne Ming joins host Greg Shove on Supercompanies to break down what happens to human intelligence when AI can answer almost anything.

In an experiment with UC Berkeley students using AI to forecast real-world events, Vivienne uncovered three distinct ways people work with AI: automators who just accept whatever the AI tells them, validators stuck in a "human in the loop" pattern that performs worse than either humans or AI alone, and a rare group she calls cyborgs - people who blend with AI so effectively you can't tell who made the decision, and who came close to matching expert-level forecasters.

The traits that predicted who became a "cyborg" - curiosity, intellectual humility, and perspective-taking - raise bigger questions about how we raise kids and design schools in the AI era, which Vivienne explores in her new book, "Robot-Proof."

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About the Podcast

Supercompanies with Greg Shove
The smartest companies building the future
Every two weeks, Supercompanies brings you unfiltered conversations with the founders and CEOs actually building AI-native companies right now, no theory, no hype, just what's working and what's failing inside real organizations.

Hosted by Greg Shove, CEO of Section and a tech executive since before the Y2K scare, having founded seven companies including his time at AOL. Guests have included Zapier's Wade Foster, Fanvue's Joel Morris, and Logitech's Eric Porres.

Video versions of every episode, along with clips and highlights, are available on YouTube at @SupercompaniesPod.